what was the san francisco sound?

[Susan Butcher]

Do you think perhaps Paul saw "Jesus Christ Superstar"?

I don't really mind that Marty wanted the Airplane to be a big success. Did it seriously compromise the music? I don't think so. Not until the Seventies and Starship.

I have a problem with this attitude that artists and musicians have to do it practically for free. It's hard work!

[oldblue]

Do you think perhaps Paul saw "Jesus Christ Superstar"?

I don't really mind that Marty wanted the Airplane to be a big success. Did it seriously compromise the music? I don't think so. Not until the Seventies and Starship.

I have a problem with this attitude that artists and musicians have to do it practically for free. It's hard work!

i don't have a problem with artists recouping for their work either. in a money economy you need money to survive. what i do have a problem with is people talking out of both sides of their mouths.

[usedtobebabson]

I had a daydream the other day. I met grace Slick and we were hooking up. It was 1968. She told me her name and asked me if I knew who she was. I said no. She couldn't believe I didn't know her. She wanted to ball, so she told me she had a new Jefferson Airplane record we could listen to at her place. I said AWW, I love the Jefferson Airplane. Gracy wants play a little, so she asks me why I like their music. I tell her because when I hear it, the world around me changes into something new and beautiful. I feel things that are new and exiting feelings. I had never know these kind of feelings and this world existed. It transforms my world into another place that is surreal, beautiful and alive with feeling, compared to the normal world. Nothing is the same.

But the San Francisco sound? No. Doors were good at that to, along with Hendrix, Big Brother, and the Dead. With the Airplane and Doors, it seemed a lot stronger though.

Susan, Everybody saw Jesus Christ Superstar

[Susan Butcher]

I know what you mean, Blue. Get filthy rich singing about revolution. But since I wasn't there then, the music business hypocrisies of the time have little effect on my enjoyment of the actual records.

I think of the Doors as having a baroque LA kind of keyboard sound, like Iron Butterfly.

[Hirondelle]

weather.

[usedtobebabson]

I saw Iron Butterfly live in '68 I think it was. Popular song "You don't really love me, you just keep me hanging on" back then, as were they. But then they fizzled out.

[usedtobebabson]

weather.

I'm tough as leather
and well put together
and I'll fight you in any weather
Whether you like it or not

[EmbryonicRabbit68]

I saw Iron Butterfly live in '68 I think it was. Popular song "You don't really love me, you just keep me hanging on" back then, as were they. But then they fizzled out.

I'm sorry, I must correct you, that wasn't Iron Butterfly, they never played "You Keep Me Hanging On". It was probably Vanilla Fudge you saw, they're similar and their version of that song was their biggest hit, I believe.

[redrabid]

You are right ER68. It was Vanilla Fudge, doing their version of a Supremes hit some 4-5 years before, Babson, you are ordered to listen to a good compilation of Motown, possibly the best American label of the 60s.

[EmbryonicRabbit68]

Thank you. Without Motown, I think a good third, maybe more, of rock and pop from the sixties would be without material and soulless, or possible non-existent. The San Francisco Sound has a lot to thank Motown for.

[plasticfantastic]

Not only San Francisco, but Britain too.

Much of the mod sound in England came from Motown, or as they called it, Tamla. Bass players like James Jamerson and songwriters like Smoky Robinson were definitely influences-- how could they not be?

[EmbryonicRabbit68]

Oh definitely, I meant that as a whole, anywhere there was rock and pop during the sixties and seventies, Motown had a huge influence. I say San Francisco because this topic is on that particular region. Motown is music to be appreciated, no matter where you're from. I think the aspect that influenced the San Francisco sound most was the soul and feeling in the music, music that you can feel you're a part of.

[Susan Butcher]

The common ground here is the gospel influence on folk and soul music. I'd guess that Motown wasn't cool in certain places, too showbiz for serious types, but I'm sure they were listening anyway. Hard to avoid that sound!

[usedtobebabson]

Sorry it was a long time ago. It WAS Vanilla Fudge. What did iron Butterfly fly do, in a gadda da vida? My first experience with cannabis was to the tune of the Temptations. That was music made for weed. I thinking that can be my tribute to motown, or have I got that wrong to. Just been feeling a little floored by it all lately.

So what's with WEATHER?

[Susan Butcher]

You're right, the Temptations were on Motown. I particularly like "Psychedelic Shack". By then they'd ditched their suits.