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Postby miketouhy on Tue Apr 11, 2006 8:53 pm

Ok just so you know I just discovered this site. So hopfully I won't ask anything that's already been discussed. If so link me to whatever post that might answer any questions I have.
Ocasionally I've wondered what was it about each of the 6 members become anti establishment? I don't think growing your hair long and doing all those things they and others of their kind did back then neccesarily meant bad home life and things like that though I'm sure for some it did. I know a little bit about Slick. Born in the Chicago area though for some reason her family moved around a good deal. Her father was a banker and I read somewhere he drank though didn't say whether he was a problem drinker. But what about the others?
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Postby willie on Wed Apr 12, 2006 4:59 am

hello and welcome......
I don't know if I would agree with the asumption that all or any of JA were anti-establishment. A lot of young people were politicised and acted in quite radical ways, mainly around the vietnam war and black civil rights, but most of the bands we associate with that era were quite uninvolved. I think they were too involved in their music to pay much interest to over-throwing the Government. Maybe the true radicals tried to draw JA and other bands in, to set them up as figure heads and that is why there is the pervading association.
But then I was not born until '69 in a leafy english village, so what do I know? :)
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Postby psychhead on Wed Apr 12, 2006 7:48 am

:D 8) Hi and welcome here!! Glad to se new "faces" in the JA forum!
I'm from OZ and my best bet is that JA were Anti- in their ways and means thru their music...they SURE opened minds and questioned many things and NOT only with long hair, etc. I don't think it's merely a question of how you look, but your overall attitude to life that counts.

STAY ON!! :evil: :!:
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Minor details...

Postby jimmie ray on Wed Apr 12, 2006 12:52 pm

If you visit Jorma's website, and read his "Thoughts" and "Diary" sections - you won't see much now that indicates he is dissatisfied with the "American way". There was some "Jorma for President" website - but I don't know what that was all about? I believe he came from a military family, and moved around alot as a kid - depending where his father was stationed.
Paul spent alot of time at some sort of "camps", since his father was never around - and perhaps he was a bit much to handle?
I don't remember hearing anything about Jack, other than the musical interests and abilities. He lived on the other (East) coast of the U.S., when the band invited him to join...
Some here have actually spent time with these guys, so you should get some better information from them????
It's good times now - I can see the light!
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Postby Chasin'Destiny on Wed Apr 12, 2006 2:38 pm

And there is a secret story,
about me and Grace.
They did that thing on a
rooftop in NY......
You should see & hear it !
(FLY Jefferson Airplane DVD)
http://members.home.nl/jjurgens/DRV2_VOL7-0.jpg

I whisperd a question
in her ear....
Isn't it cold down there ?
She didn't say a word...
BOIIING on my head
with the microphone......
Thanx.... :roll: :roll: :roll:
I am :evil: X666
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Uncorked...

Postby jimmie ray on Wed Apr 12, 2006 2:53 pm

You found that bottle of Scotch again, didn't you?
That dog(s) has to learn to dig a deeper hole in the yard for it!
It's good times now - I can see the light!
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Re: Minor details...

Postby miketouhy on Wed Apr 12, 2006 4:48 pm

jimmie ray wrote:If you visit Jorma's website, and read his "Thoughts" and "Diary" sections - you won't see much now that indicates he is dissatisfied with the "American way". There was some "Jorma for President" website - but I don't know what that was all about? I believe he came from a military family, and moved around alot as a kid - depending where his father was stationed.
Paul spent alot of time at some sort of "camps", since his father was never around - and perhaps he was a bit much to handle?
I don't remember hearing anything about Jack, other than the musical interests and abilities. He lived on the other (East) coast of the U.S., when the band invited him to join...
Some here have actually spent time with these guys, so you should get some better information from them????
Well thanks a lot. I've read Jorma's Graces's and Marty's bio. Now I have the other 3 to read.
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Re: Uncorked...

Postby Chasin'Destiny on Thu Apr 13, 2006 2:54 am

jimmie ray wrote:You found that bottle of Scotch again, didn't you?
That dog(s) has to learn to dig a deeper hole in the yard for it!


Yes, 2 of 'm !
Imagine what happend when she was
the drummer of JA !....
:roll: :evil: :roll:

Hit me with your rhythm stick.
Hit me! Hit me!
That's the way i like it aahaa
Hit me! hit me! hit me!
Hit me with your rhythm stick.
That's the way i like it aahaa
It's nice to be a lunatic.
Hit me! Hit me! Hit me!
:roll: :evil: :roll:
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Hold the blockheads...

Postby jimmie ray on Thu Apr 13, 2006 10:14 am

Let's hope that our "in contact" friends will be adding some insight here - it's a good subject that we should settle down and get some serious discussion on...
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Postby Steve on Thu Apr 13, 2006 10:20 am

Jorma's dad was in the diplomatic service. He spent some time in the Phillipenes while growing up.
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Re: Uncorked...

Postby psychhead on Thu Apr 13, 2006 5:59 pm

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


jimmie ray wrote:You found that bottle of Scotch again, didn't you?
That dog(s) has to learn to dig a deeper hole in the yard for it!
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Postby gTarFreak on Thu Apr 13, 2006 7:50 pm

Uh-oh, here I go again...

Back in the 60's and 70's Vietnam was in the news, and in a way that had never happened before. Prior to Vietnam war news was filtered, stationary print on a newspaper, except for occasional patriotic newsreels. All of a sudden war was in peoples living rooms, every night, and in all it's gory detail. In addition, the stupidity of it was plain to see, American kids were dying every day for politicians' greed and glory. Not unsurprisingly the 'youth' movement was the first to see this and to see the hypocrisy and the lies that were being thrown in our faces. We were somewhat pissed. For example, for a while it was thought that the M-16 rifle was a piece of junk, prone to jamming for no reason. Then it was discovered that the manufacturer of the ammunition was putting less powder in the cartriges than was supposed to be there. All for the sake of making a buck countless American lives were lost.

Paul was (is) very anti-establishment, Grace was not one to sit still when injustice was perceived. Marty, I don't really know that much about so I can't really speak on him. Jorma and Jack, from my readings (not from any inside conversations, as I've never raised the subject with them) were first and foremost musicians, and their feelings probably echoed those of most 'young' people at the time.

The "Jorma For President" campaign is just a reminder that people should expect more of politicians than they are actually getting.

[Climb up on soapbox]
All of which gets me depressed because the current situation with Bush and cronies seems far worse now than LBJ and Nixon were back then. And the press is just rolling over and playing dead, compared to the investigative reporting that went on in the late 60's. And most of the people could care less, and prefer to turn a blind eye to it all. :cry:

And with the death of free-form radio, music is not going to be sending the message. No ClearChannel station is going to risk upsetting rich investors with any kind of 'revolutionary' programming.

Nixon, at his worse, never managed to suspend provisions of the Constitution. Nor do I recall members of his administration being arrested for child-pornography. Just good ol' fashioned embezzlement and bribery.

[Climb off of soap box, head to 'fridge for a beer]

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Postby Chasin'Destiny on Fri Apr 14, 2006 3:08 am

That little but great story
from gTarFreak....great !....
Because of these true storys
I don't believe in a god....
Biggest crap is that statement
that god did give us " a free will"...
That makes the game soo
simple, every dead soldier
would be dead at free will.....
(world war 2 , vietnam just 2 wars)
Who does believe that crap ?
Ok !, there are some Rambo's !!
War = Big $$$$$$$ for somebodys fun.

So god = war = evil = free will crap
The Spanish Inquisition ?
The best thing to show the free will :evil:....
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Postby gTarFreak on Fri Apr 14, 2006 3:56 am

whisperd a question
in her ear....
Isn't it cold down there ?
She didn't say a word...
BOIIING on my head
with the microphone......
Thanx....


Hey CD, no info on Grace, but a piece of trivia from Jack: it WAS cold on that rooftop and the coat Jack was wearing was borrowed from some girl!

On the other subject, I believe we all have free will, and we're all responsible for the actions of those in our respective governments, whether we elected them or allow them to take power and rule in the absence of our actions. Too many people have the attitude that "there's nothing they can do" and abrogate their responsibilities because its' the path of least resistence. The "Rock The Vote" movement here in America actually did get more people to vote. The depressing part was the lack of thought that went into the voting. One young woman was interviewed on the subject and placed the blame on the performers saying"yes, they told us to vote, but they forgot to tell us who to vote for" :!: :!: :!: :x :x

The short-lived "revolution" here that forced Nixon and Ford out and brought a patch of clear air and sunlight into government came about because a lot of individuals were tired of the crap and weren't gonna take it any more, not because of any one person who made a difference. That's the essence of democracy, but democracy cannot but fail in the face of complacence and apathy. The musicians of the time were the personification of what everyone was feeling and created a feeling of unity. That seems to be conspicuously missing these days.

[Hey, where'd that soapbox come from???]

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Postby willie on Fri Apr 14, 2006 6:14 am

Great insight dave, thanks.
Western democracy is in my view a form of delusional democracy with phony democratic elections, allowing the participants a very limited and narrow involvement, yet sufficient enough to convince the general public of its non-existent legitimacy. This method was perfected during the early 70s as a responce to the empowerment that many citizens felt in the 60s.
You're right things have got so much worse.....
However we must never forget..........The only thing needed for evil to prosper is for good men to do nothing.
Author: Edmund Burke
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