I would appreciate it, Okeedoe, if you stopped taking on the role of my shrink. I don't need one. You keep insinuating that my arguments (good or bad) are the results of my own inner fears or of traumatizing experiences in childhood and keep questioning my motivations. Doing so, you devaluate those arguments, without going into the matter. I am not really surprised by this. It is a wellknown strategy used by believers in dicussions about religion with unbelievers, always trying to defuse the possible explosive content of the arguments of their opponents. And that remark about editing my post 6 times (Brace yourself, I'm going to do it one more time), that was a blow beneath the belt. I'm just a lousy typist. So let's keep this debate open and clean. It may surprise you, but I am really interested in religion as a cultural phenomenon, that is why I like this discussion.
I have not the missionary intentions you ascribe to me. I support the principles underlying our free and democratic society.Therefore I shall always defend the right to believe in a god and to live according to religious laws. But (and there is no contradiction here) when believers try to impose their religious laws on me and others, robbing us of our right to live our lives in our own chosen way, I shall oppose them. Their god is a personal one, not a universal one. I am not zealous, I am passionate, passionate about my freedom.
Why I fight the idea of hell is perfectly explained by UTBB's post above. At the age of nine I couldn't accept that followers of other creeds of Christianity went to hell. Their punishment for not recognizing the True Faith."But that's not fair", I cried out to the teacher, who smiled benignly. I see hell a an amoral idea that has no place in modern society.
The basic principles of our western society may be of judeao/christian origin (debatable, it ignores the civilazing influence of humanist thinking and the Enlightment), but they are in essence the same as those of other religions and non religious ethical philosophies. Islamic fundamentalists could learn here that christianity and islam are branches of the same tree.
By the way, I like Don Quixote.
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