with all thats going on today in this country

[Americanborn]

ok , super keep communicating and stay with it. maybe your friends will see what your doing and they will follow you.

[plasticfantastic]

Wow, I hope so!

[Susan Butcher]

I don't know about the Management, but I really don't mind a bit of political debate here. So, Americanborn, do you think of yourself as a conservative? You seem to be from what you're saying about America straying from its traditional values. Do you think the problem is "creeping socialism"? Or are you more interested in promoting freedom of thought?

[EmbryonicRabbit68]

"Creeping Socialism", it sound so silly anymore seeing how its been thrown around so much in this country, mainly by the Republicans.I used to believe in Communism for a short time, almost joined the party, but that was when i was finding myself politicaly.I did the same for religion and music.My parents are extremely open, and have let me experience everything.They teach me, im homeschooled.My mom tells me about everything that happens in America right now, all the little f*cked up stuff the news never shows.I had a chance to get really into politics and start some revolution(i actually tried to get my parents to do it a few times last year), but im deciding to change music and art.Im 15 already and ive kinda found myself to a point, and music and love is all i need.The point is, kids dont have to reach to their parents to change the country today, they need to reach out to help them find themselves, instead of just putting them in some school, learn soccer and baseball, then go to college and become a lawyer or join the army.If we learn to put everything into art and the mind, and getting rid of the digital crap and politics, eventually we will all grow a generation of people who dont even care to join the army and go to war.Then everything will set in, and maybe in a few hundred years, there wont even be nations.It all starts with art.Thats what bands like the Airplane were doing.Move people artisticly.

[Americanborn]

I don't know about the Management, but I really don't mind a bit of political debate here. So, Americanborn, do you think of yourself as a conservative? You seem to be from what you're saying about America straying from its traditional values. Do you think the problem is "creeping socialism"? Or are you more interested in promoting freedom of thought?

i'm in the middle and go off what the candidate says and stands for. being from illinois i can tell you the worth i put on obama... $0.02 . i have personally tried to deal with him from 2005 to the end of 2006 about a disability issue of which i got absolutly no where. not even a visit to his office . he was in hawiia , africa and running around selling his book and then of course cnn started his campaign in 2007 . he voted present in illinois over 125 times. so that should tell it there where i stand. i dont call it creeping socialism but rather than speed of light socialism and using the word emergency or bailout an a cover.. my opinion . it's not only freedom of thought but it's what you drive , eat , do , how much you make , healthcare mandation.. oh , i can go on and on ..LOL !! this fundamentally changing America has got way out of hand.


the deocrats seem to believe they can tell you what to eat , sugar drinks and they want to tax them , auto company take overs and then running them and news like cnn , msnbc not showing the whole truth about corrupt in the hill like van jones etc... al gore and his global warming farse... the temp of the earth has not gone up for over 4 years but yet gore is making hundreds of millions of dollar scaring people into thinking we are gonna burn up and the john holdren says the other day that one billion people will die by 2020 because of a new ice age and of course it's man made too... LOl !! whats next ?? we will be smothered by a jello spill !!

[Dormouse]

Politics are not often discussed here, but there is no reason why it can't be.

The truth is, the American dream is a delusion realized only be a few. No matter how hard someone tries, sometimes they will not be able to 'succeed' in this society. That is how the system is set up, and its very existence depends on the fact that the majority of people will have it worse off than the financial elite. The problem with the country today are due to the past eight years when these financial elite ran wild. Now the problem is indeed 'creeping socialism' - It needs to be rampant socialism. The playing field needs to be leveled. People should not be starving or homeless. If socialism will address these issues, than that is exactly what we need. How insidious is capitalism that people will 'revolt' when presented a tax increase to help the needy, while they sit back and let a million innocent lives be shed overseas? Mindless protesters at town halls rioting and shouting because they believe in death panels! Or is it they just do not want to pay a penny more in taxes to help those whose lives are in disaster because they can not afford health care? So yes, there does need to be a revolution, but not from those such as Glenn Beck, Billo, Rush, Hannity, their friends from Fox News and its deluded viewers. But rather, one envisioned by the Jefferson Airplane and the movement towards love and peace from forty years ago.

But this is not a political place, and discussions should not be focused on politics. If anyone is here solely for that purpose, I would suggest they look into a different forum. Music rules supreme above all else in this place.

[plasticfantastic]

My (somewhat undeveloped) theory on capitalism and socialism is that one can't peacefully exist with the other.

It's my belief that socialism would work quite well had capitalism never taken over. At this point, I don't think there is a way to transition well between the two systems, so I don't know if it's really possible or practical to talk about making the switch. Capitalism sucks, I totally agree, but it seems to me that we're stuck with it.

Also, there is the question of communism vs. perfect communism. If we look at the examples of the USSR, East Germany, Cuba, and The People's Republic of China, we can see that communism turns out very differently than people plan it.

[EmbryonicRabbit68]

The apposite of the "Peoples Republic of China" is what I would look forward too.The absolute apposite.They really have taken the worst of both communism and capitalism and fused it.And this is a purely musical forum, and should stay completely musical, but it isnt bad to have a bit of politics.The 1960s was embodied with politics, and JA was a giant part of the 60s.

[plasticfantastic]

The 1960s was embodied with politics, and JA was a giant part of the 60s.

And don't forget that politics was a huge part of JA.

As to The People's Republic of China, the opposite would be ideal, although like I said, based on the other countries that have been at one time communist, it's not likely that this would happen.

[Americanborn]

Politics are not often discussed here, but there is no reason why it can't be.

The truth is, the American dream is a delusion realized only be a few. No matter how hard someone tries, sometimes they will not be able to 'succeed' in this society. That is how the system is set up, and its very existence depends on the fact that the majority of people will have it worse off than the financial elite. The problem with the country today are due to the past eight years when these financial elite ran wild. Now the problem is indeed 'creeping socialism' - It needs to be rampant socialism. The playing field needs to be leveled. People should not be starving or homeless. If socialism will address these issues, than that is exactly what we need. How insidious is capitalism that people will 'revolt' when presented a tax increase to help the needy, while they sit back and let a million innocent lives be shed overseas? Mindless protesters at town halls rioting and shouting because they believe in death panels! Or is it they just do not want to pay a penny more in taxes to help those whose lives are in disaster because they can not afford health care? So yes, there does need to be a revolution, but not from those such as Glenn Beck, Billo, Rush, Hannity, their friends from Fox News and its deluded viewers. But rather, one envisioned by the Jefferson Airplane and the movement towards love and peace from forty years ago.

But this is not a political place, and discussions should not be focused on politics. If anyone is here solely for that purpose, I would suggest they look into a different forum. Music rules supreme above all else in this place.

this has been going on for 40 years. the early 70's uncle sam tried to convience Americans we were running out of oil . gas prices went up , they rationed and even shut stations down on sundays and then the scam came out. just like this global warming fraud. the facts are the earths temp has not risen... in fact the science czar says we will have a new ice age in 2020..

mindless town hall protesters.. LOl ! thats the America that cares about this country. if someone wants socialism they need to go to russia or some place. i honor our Constitution. do you realise the healthcare reform is no reform at all to help cost ? if it was why mandate employers with 50+ employees mandate insurance or be fined ? why mandate people to either buy insurance or be fined ? why are they cutting 400 billion out of medicare to start paying for what is nothing more the a welfare reform. why should working people pay for people who wont work and why is government keeping new jobs from growing ? thats the deal. we will not have new jobs take the place of people having healthcare because government wants control.

[Susan Butcher]

Captialism and socialism can coexist, but the result is a kind of see-saw depending upon who's in government. It's a situation I'm use to living with, but I don't think this kind of compromise is going to be acceptable to Americans. You're just too tightly wound up.

[Americanborn]

Captialism and socialism can coexist, but the result is a kind of see-saw depending upon who's in government. It's a situation I'm use to living with, but I don't think this kind of compromise is going to be acceptable to Americans. You're just too tightly wound up.

yea , your right i guess if you can live with someone telling you how much you can make and what you can make..LOL ! i would guess your in Canada ?

[Ensign]

What's going on in this country today is divisiveness, partisanship, and fear-mongering.
Most of the people in power don't want change because... they're in power. Duh!
It's up to the people to make a difference. It always has been. Activism is not a dirty word.
Now get off your half-moons and get to work making change for the better.
(Off the soap box now.)

[Americanborn]

What's going on in this country today is divisiveness, partisanship, and fear-mongering.
Most of the people in power don't want change because... they're in power. Duh!
It's up to the people to make a difference. It always has been. Activism is not a dirty word.
Now get off your half-moons and get to work making change for the better.
(Off the soap box now.)

what are you calling change ? from a couple things i've been watching from the white house is this , people being able to speak up . but they are taking steps heading toward ending that. as we are doing here. talking with each other our views . it seems that some in the white house want to censor that .

[Ensign]

I am not going to be baited into arguing about whether or not the current administration is problematic on this forum. I will say that when Obama got elected, the people had spoken! That's a good thing - the participation in government by the people.
But: You've just identified something that you think needs changing ("it seems that some in the white house want to censor that ..") Get after it! That's all I am saying here.